Edelman's Big Gamble, Betting It All on AnarchyComments
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How can you say no one has figured out how to make money on the Web? HP generates $60 million in revenues per month from its free e-zines. Ny client Agora Publishing has online sales of its paid subscription newsletters of more than $100 million a year. The models for making money online are both established and well known; check out The Mequoda Library online for starteres.
First, we are talking about publishing. Also, remember... in the real world of business, $100 million is nothing.
Anyway, the link to the article I referenced (NYT, "Waiting for the Dough on the Web," 6/25/06) was broken. Sorry. See http://www.nytimes.com/2006/06/25/business/yourmoney/25frenzy.html . - Amanda
In the real world of business, $100 million is nothing? That's an absurd statement. Are you saying HP's $720 million a year in online sales isn't real, and that they should stop wasting time with Internet marketing? Bill Bonner, who owns the $100 million a year online publisher I referenced, lives in splendor in a restored chateau in the south of France on 300 acres, owns historic mansions throughout Baltimore, and could buy and sell 99.9% of Americans a thousand times over. Are you saying Google and eBay aren't making real money?
Again, I think your are missing the point and actually confusing it with another.
With regards to revenues, remember, a small company is defined as one with revenues that exceed $150 million per year. $100 million is not a lot of money. Now as to the reference, again it is about media companies. Sorry if I did not make that clear. For the NYT article, "NOW and then, an executive whose brain I'm siphoning will turn the tables and pose a question. And lately, I've been getting a few versions of this: "You talk to a lot of the traditional media companies. Who do you think has got this Internet thing figured out?"
Google definitely makes real money. $7.1 BILLION (gross revenue) in the last 12 months. Of course Microsoft made $33.5 billion in the same period, the vast majority of which was offline. And lets look at Ebay: revenue of $4.9 billion. Again, not bad but not much to compare against Walmart at $321.1 billion. And these are the giants of the internet. Frankly, most companies with online divisions don't even bother to break out internet income because it's simply not a significant part of earnings. Of course, individual companies and people do quite well but in the macro picture online commerce isn't all that striking.
Nah - you're off base with this one Amanda - there's an assumption on your part that anarchy is the result of what Edelman and others are saying. I don't see that. Sure the snarks (like your good self) are out there doing their thing but is that anarchy or informed comment that ain't pretty? BTW - I still believe Edelman remains in command and control mode. It's just the constituency has changed.
To the point about blogs failing. It ain't cos no-one's reading 95% - and who cares anyway - it's because regular blogging is work. Generally unpaid - or at least that's the way it is for many out there. At the moment.
No. I am NOT saying that anarchy is the result of what Edelman and others are saying. I am saying that by definition, anarchy is the world they envision and that's what they are betting on. It just so happens that they are PRing that vision.
Richard has left the building
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Amanda,
I agree with a lot of your points and think your skepticism is healthy, but if you think Richard Edelman is betting the bank on Web 2.0, then you too have been victim of the Kool-Aid. Richard Edelman is doing a lot of positioning around Web 2.0 and doing a good job articulating a future vision -- which may play out, though probably not precisely. What matters is that he's taking a point of view, which is a lot more than most do. If his thought leadership of the future is correct, then he will have done a damn good job creating an infrastructure to ride the wave and leverage the disruption. At a minimum, he's investing in a mindset that accepts change and disruption, which I think is a healthy thing for a large bureacracy that wants to grow beyond traditional PR. If he's incorrect, he's still got his nuts-and-bolts public relations business, and as you correctly point out, that's where the money is...still.
"If his thought leadership of the future is correct, then he will have done a damn good job creating an infrastructure to ride the wave and leverage the disruption."
"IF," the operative word. And the problem with that is that there is no actually infrastructure. In other words, he's blowing smoke. My point. See, there's good fiction and then there's bad fiction. I am convinced that this whole Me2Revolution stuff is an example of the latter. - Amanda
Strumpette doesn't get it.
Richard Edelman is not purveying anarchy. He's merely articulating the fact that what we have here is the dying gasp of a business model in journalism that was based on advertising subsidies, not content purchases. The content has never been anyone's property. Few have ever paid for it. Just ask a librarian or a professorial course syllabus with excerpts from people's deathless prose. Content has, and always will, belong to its consumers the minute it's out of the mouth, word processor or violin. Copyright protection is only there to attack those who recycle content for their own profits and have deep pockets. As a journalist, author, it's been obvious to me from the get-go that the photocopier, scrapbook, library and now blogs are my friends, not foes. They amplify my stuff. They market me. Richard Edelman is not creating anarchy where there wasn't any. It was always there.
"Doesn't get it."
Reminds me of a billboard near my home when I was little. It was a sign for a church that read "I found it." About a week later, someone had spray painted on it "Then you keep it!" Listen Diane. I get it. AND I DON'T WANT IT! Do you even know what anarchy is? Can you put the Me2Revolution is an historical social-economic perspective? I have. Again, it is silly noise by some PR guy trying to make hay for his firm. - Amanda
One point of clarity, you can make a ton of money betting on anarchy by investing in Gold :) if the market is right it might be the end of civilization.
Good post though i think the blogging bet is more of an organic growth play for the industry. Add Comment
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There you have it, indeed. The above quote is an excerpt from Richard Edelman's response to an article in the Financial Times last week, "
These are typically non-verbal communications cues. An opponent's eyes might blink differently when one is bluffing. Another may exhibit a nervous cough, twitch or itch. Granted it's subtle but this is the essence of the game to the professional gambler. These tells have his/her attention as much or more than the cards themselves.
Here, let's look at the numbers. Edelman's annual fees are approximately $260 million; while WPP's revenues top $9 billion. If Richard can shake just 3 percent out of Sorrell's hand, he will have in effect more than doubled his business. So wonder he's excited!! With the wind of all the hype of blogging at his back... he could actually pull it off. "Fervent wish," I think it's apparent who has the fervent wish. Richard underscores that quoting Dan Gillmor: "PR is the new advertising and conversation is the new PR." He's counting the money and wistfully daydreaming as we speak.
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